Hello.
I'm your host, Brian Callanan.
A proposed development of tiny houses in North Seattle
has raised a number of questions from local residents.
What impact could these homes have on our city's homelessness crisis?
Also, there's a new effort underway to work with Native American tribes
that could change the way Seattle approaches affordable housing.
Seattle City Council President Deborah Juarez is with me to discuss these topics
and the questions you're sending in to next on Council Edition.
I don't think it's my job to be liked.
I think it's my job to be respected and that people know that I don't lie.
All that and more coming up next on City Inside-Out
Council Edition.
And joining me right now, here she is, the council president
of the Seattle City Council, Deborah Juarez from District five.
And I just wanted to say, counselor
President Juarez, thank you for being on the show.
How you doing? I'm doing good. And it's good to be back.
I know it's been a while, but and I actually mean this.
I'm actually happy to be back. All right, I'll take it.
Take it. Take it.
Well, let me jump into a topic that has received
plenty of public feedback in your district over the past couple of weeks.
This proposal to build a tiny house
village on Lake City way near 85th for about 50 residents here.
This was the scene up at Faith Lutheran Church at the end of June.
Looking at some video here,
people lined up to ask their questions about this facility,
the Low Income Housing Institute, or Lehigh,
which is going to build and run this tiny house village, was there to answer them.
There were questions about how people are vetted to enter a tiny house village.
There are questions about crime possibly being attracted to this facility.
There were people who are very glad to see this tiny house village being built.
So a full spectrum of opinions there.
I guess I just wanted to ask, what do you want people living in District
five to know about this tiny house village?
And what do you tell people who might be concerned about it?
Well, let's let's roll back a little bit here.
This isn't the first time that we've placed a tiny house village
that turned into actual brick and mortar in five or for that matter, any district.
And what's been nice with Lehigh and some of our other partners
and a Port Authority in this type of housing
is that they've really have a model now
that brings in the community and has a board.
I remember when we were doing it
to other tiny house villages that now one of them is actual brick and mortar
where they gave us like ten conditions and ten issues
that they need to be addressed and Lehigh address,
I think we got eight of the ten and people were good with that.
So D five has one of the highest rates of homelessness, but we only have one now.
Now, tiny house village.
And as I was sharing with you before, the cameras rolled.
Yeah. Districts one, four and five have one tiny house.
Village districts two, six and seven
have two, and District two has four.
So I think what I've seen in the progression since 2015 to
now is we didn't really have a blueprint to how we would
ramp things up, level things up,
bring community and have supportive have 24 hour surveillance.
Yeah, have social workers there.
And also making it transitional.
So it's a tiny house and we expect the next level is to get you into
a brick and mortar apartment or wherever you need to be.
And, you know, that took a while.
And I think people should give us credit for it.
We started it. Yeah.
And I think we've gotten better at it.
And what we do need in the city, though, is more welcoming neighborhoods.
And I just wanted to talk about that.
Just to jump back on that point you were making about
where these tiny house villages are located in Seattle.
One of your staffers
actually put together a map that I'm going to show folks at home right now.
Just checking this out, this map moving from north to south.
That green icon is where the new facility would go.
You mentioned this D5 only has about 8% of Seattle's tiny house locations.
D-2, as you move, move down that has hosted 30% as your office reported here.
I wanted to talk a little bit more about this, about what that map says to you.
Does Seattle have a good spread of resources
when it comes to tiny house villages? Is it equitable?
I know that's always a concern for the council.
Well, I'll be very candid, as I normally am.
No, it hasn't been fair
across the board for our great city, from from the south to the north.
We do need more welcoming neighborhoods that understand
that our unhoused neighbors, folks, this is a good, safe place for them to be.
And I mean, when Casper Bagshaw was here and other council members who worked
hard on this,
it's it's so difficult.
But I've seen a big change in the last four years
about more neighborhoods being welcoming because you can on one hand
wear a t shirt that says no sweeps, you know, how's the homeless
or by the way, not in my neighborhood, not next to my community center,
not next to my children's park, not where my kids play soccer
and now I think people are recognizing that that type of humanity
is what makes us a great city.
And now I'm seeing more people open to tiny houses,
whatever, whatever configuration they come in.
And I wanted to talk a little bit more about tiny houses specific to Lehigh
and what they're saying about it.
A brief soundbite from this meeting, actually from Sharon Lee,
the executive director of Lehigh.
I thought she made a very important point as to how tiny house villages
can offer a form of housing more quickly than other housing options.
Here's what she said.
Deeply affordable housing is the answer,
but it takes four years to put together a building.
And so what we've been trying to do is come up with a solution
that is cost effective.
And we got so tired of people living in tents, living on the streets,
living unsheltered
over 300
homeless individuals died from homelessness last year.
And the numbers keep increasing.
And I'm bringing this up because we're at a bit of an
inflection point when it comes to the King County Regional Homelessness Authority.
CEO Mark Jones recently stepped down.
Mark, not a huge fan of tiny house villages.
Wanted to make sure Seattle
was not investing too much in that option I talked to talk to them about that.
As the authority looks for a new leader.
How do you approach this tiny house village issue with KCR?
Are you pushing to build more?
How do you deal with that piece of it?
Well,
without getting too much into the politics, because, you know,
a while back and I'm going to
hopefully the people who are watching, some people remember when we had the Bob
Poppy report? Mm hmm.
And we have grown as a city in how we address homelessness.
And we don't want any more just a a court in a church basement.
We've moved from that to tiny house villages, transitional housing
to having more welcoming neighborhoods, having more brick and mortar
supportive services, low barrier, meeting people where they're at.
So Shirley is right.
We do need that. But as long as it stays
transitional and, you know, I,
I have a lot of respect for Mark Jones, but I sometimes just would shake my head
about the disagreement that Lehigh was having
with the King County Regional Housing Authority, which I helped set up
because I was concerned that at some point, you know,
the bottom line is this you want to get people under a roof
because the minute you house them, then you start addressing
the medical issues that mental health issues, you know, finding their families.
I mean, those are the things and you can't do that to get them to have them there.
And I guess that's where, you know, I was hoping for a better outcome,
quite frankly.
Yeah, I just just touching on this.
Also, I know the city council is working the is working on the situation
with Lehigh to have an RV.
Yeah.
Safe parking area in the Inner Bay
neighborhood, which I know is not in your district.
But I think this is something that could serve a lot of people.
And I feel that this is important because the idea there is as well
bringing these RVs.
But people aren't saying just park here for a little while,
okay, leave your RV here.
We're gonna help you transition out of that vehicle into permanent housing.
That's another piece of this puzzle. Right.
Let me just bring you back to something.
This issue isn't isn't district centered?
Of course.
Yeah.
So particularly with the RVs and then with the Blake decision.
And these are people's homes.
My parents spent the last five years after retirement
being RV ers, you know, and so a different kind of RV.
But I understand that.
So my point is, we go back to welcoming neighborhoods.
We go back to where is a big safe spot.
And we were looking at at one time
some places in D five, particularly when some big box stores had left.
Yeah, but a lot of it is on private property
and getting, you know, there's liability there.
You're not going to like. I'll give you a good example.
When Sam's Club left D five with this huge empty big building with outlets and,
you know, a lot of these private property, there's a liability.
What if someone gets hurt?
Someone gets shot, Someone gets robbed?
Yeah, someone gets assaulted.
There's a fire.
We've seen fires and it's gotten to where, you know, you can understand
why not in all cases, but you can understand why
private property people say, Look, I do not want to open up this huge
parking lot that I own and pay taxes on to an RV where I have
no say and I don't know what's going to go on here.
And even if I do have a say, I don't know how weighted that say is.
And that's what concerns I've had private offline conversations
with big lot owners in my district and a few other districts,
and that's probably the more clarion call I hear.
I will have no control once I hand it over and I don't know what's going to happen
and I don't want to be liable.
Wow. There's a lot of concerns with that.
And I thank you for breaking down all those pieces.
I do want to talk about another development going on in North Seattle,
a groundbreaking recently for some new affordable housing units and D five.
I'm talking about the Nook
at North Haven here, 89 units for people making 60, 80% of the area.
Median income scheduled to come online December 20, 24.
What's a little bit different about this as I'm reading it?
The facility will have a built in six Classroom Early Learning Center
run by Rewa, the Refugee Women's Alliance,
which will run a facility for more than 100 preschoolers.
I wanted to talk about this project because I know you're excited about it.
Here I am giggling in the background there,
but what impact is it going to have on the need for affordable housing in Seattle?
That's a big deal, especially North Seattle.
And talk about this early learning center, because that's a model
I feel like could be used in many more locations citywide.
Well, I'm laughing because and you and I talked a little bit about this.
This is one of the things I'll be very proud of when I do leave office.
We have worked I have worked with North Haven since 2015,
and they obviously have housing there for elders, mainly Medicaid.
And so we've been working with them forever
to get them in the budget to rezone. So they could go up.
We can bring more elders in.
So we already had the rewa at the
Tony Lee house with pre-K, right, With Susan Lee.
It went wonderful.
All these great little kids is wonderful.
So Susan's and I were talking and I'm like, you know,
how cool would it be to have these children at North Haven
where we got the money in the budget and they got money as well
to match with Rewa for the first time to have intergenerational
just like an Indian country.
You have elders there with kids and kids there with elders,
and it's a phenomenal space because there is a wonderful, rich transit spine.
There's a park, there's the key, the cracking community ice plex.
If I were teaching a class in urban planning, I would say
this is a good example of community.
So it's our second one in D in D five,
and it's been such a success with the first one at the Tony Lee house.
And so having this one is something I'm going to pay attention to
for as long as I live in the district and I cannot say enough about Susan Lee.
It Rewa and their board and one foundation.
Yeah, they are wonderful folks.
Can I jump in with rebar for a little bit?
You were part of this recent Rewa graduation ceremony up
at the Ace plex in North Seattle, and we had a few photos here.
Quite an event.
You were honored for your work in 85.
A number, a number of other local dignitaries there, too.
I believe you even tried to hug a lion dancer at this graduation.
Looks like that was fun.
Might have been a tackle there. I'm not sure.
But the real takeaway that I saw,
60 kids went through this program from many different cultural backgrounds.
Some of them had never even seen an ice rink before.
95% of them are able to participate due to some tuition support.
What does an event like this mean for those kids and families?
Well, I'm going to be a little personal here.
This is where being a public servant feels really good and nice
when you can point at something and say, I did this with a group of other folks.
I didn't do it by myself.
That was the second graduation I spoke at.
So we had one year before and did the whole rollout.
And I did try to pet the big lion, but that's nothing.
But anyway, the point was
and we had Danny Glover there and Coach Wilkins came, which was wonderful.
But every year grows in the second year with more kids and more parents
and watching over NHL and one year foundation starting that last year.
But the year before, because I used to help
get those kids on the bus, get them on the ice, put their skates on.
Right.
Like, you know, 100 or 54 year olds.
And then the second year of the graduation and seeing I saw the first class right.
So this was one year. That's where they had the little demonstration.
They wanted to show us what these kids learned in a year because Rainier,
Beacon Hill and Lake and Lake City, those are the three schools they use.
And they load them up on the bus.
They get them.
They're nice bus, too.
It isn't just oh, it's a really nice bus.
And watching some of these parents, what I remember last year and a lot of them
are immigrant from all over the world, had never even seen ice.
Yeah.
And to see their kid out there or English is not their first language.
I have a
funny little story that this one little guy was hanging on me
and I was telling Susan, who speaks Chinese fluently.
You need to tell him.
And you need to tell him Chinese that I can't skate
and we're both going to fall because he wouldn't let go of my leg.
And she did. And it was funny that he immediately got away from me.
But I've been on the ice many times, and that is one thing that brings joy to me.
Yeah. Yeah.
And thank you.
I wanted to move, if I could, into another housing issue
involved your work with Native communities,
something that came up in the Finance Committee here recently.
The council is looking at the way
it deals with surplus city properties like city facilities, for example.
2018 the city Council passed an ordinance saying
when these properties are available,
putting affordable housing on them is definitely a priority here.
In 2023, the council saying, okay, when those properties are available,
affordable housing definitely
still a goal here, but we need to let federally recognized
tribes and urban Indian organizations know when this property is available,
give them priority in acquiring this land.
What's this about?
What's this legislation going to do?
Well, I want to give you
some historical perspective here, because this didn't just start here.
This goes back to again in the time machine here.
This goes back to the 1970s
and the law as it developed in government to government relations and consultation.
This also goes back to the 1970 fishing wars with co-management.
So what we're seeing finally
from the seventies, eighties and nineties, particularly in the Clinton era,
where they required federal agencies and departments
nationally and then states adopted it as well,
that you have a government
to government relationship, you have tribal consultation,
and you respect the sovereignty of the tribe.
So what we've done and now the big movement of what they call
it now is land back.
And we call it more than a land acknowledgment.
And so what you have
for the first time on a city level and I'm really proud of this because we
we have it in a federal level, state level, a county level.
But on a city level, we have institutionalized and people
thinking now, whether it's OK'd, Seattle satellite.
You need to speak like federal and state government
with local tribes or consultation or indigenous led organizations.
When you have surface property because they are also in the business of housing.
And as you know, tribes like we saw work issued by a whole building in District
four and house people that they have the means, the interest
and this is their land and they want and they don't just house natives, by the way.
And they do that with health care as well.
Nothing stays within the four corners of a reservation
and there's just so much humanity, wealth and love that we have
for our people and everyone else that we're finally starting
to, you know, codify that this is something you need to do.
And I want to thank Councilor Mosquito because she was,
you know, working with me on this.
Councilmember Strouse, who chairs land use, has been working with me on this.
But this started way back when Councilmember Bagshaw was still here.
And so we finally have got to this point where hopefully we'll have this in the law
because we've had times where land has come up in surplus land
that has been in what they call unceded or ceded areas
or unusual custom areas of a particular tribe in this region.
And I've had tribes call and say, well, we didn't know you had 25 acres for sale.
Why didn't you call us?
When I worked for a couple of governors and a couple of other electeds,
we would know land was coming up.
The first people we would call if it was in that area,
seated area, usually a customer areas we call the tribe and say hey.
And they're like, Oh yeah, we used to fish.
There are people there.
We can build housing there for everybody, not just our own people.
Yeah.
So I'm I know this sounds kind of corny, but as I'm getting older,
it makes me feel good
that things that I said and thought and believed when I was a young lawyer
are starting to finally happen now at a city level.
Yeah.
And I feel like I'm going to keep I'm going to keep going down this path.
Okay. Can you talk about your your experience as a lawyer?
There's a huge legal issue that came up with the U.S.
Supreme Court recently with the Indian Welfare Act, recently upheld by the U.S.
Supreme Court, a big decision in favor of Native American rights and families.
And I know this is a very personal issue for you, too.
Can you talk about this, what this means in Seattle,
what it means to you, what it means around the country some day?
Let's have a separate show on what it means to me
more personally, because I think there's a story there.
But you're right.
That was a breaking decision that upheld the Indian Child Welfare Act of 1978.
And I think what we're seeing in this trend as you saw what happened with the
the abortion decision, the Dobbs case, which undid Roe.
So with the breaking case, they tried to roll back
45 years of jurisprudence where tribes had the right
to step into the shoes of the parents to keep the tribe together in the families.
We have the same thing with the Dobbs case. They tried.
They did.
They took away 50 years of jurisprudence.
They gave us a right of our bodies to choose.
But getting back to breaking in what we saw.
So, again, I it's it's a sad history.
And I don't like to always be the one to have to say this, but
we're at a point
both of my Texas, by the way, we're at a point where tribes
this has just been a continual we are always in a defensive posture
protecting our family, our children, our land, our water.
And it it's like it's never ending.
And the breaking case just basically said what we have always said, which
took an act of Congress in 1978, to say
is that if you're going to take a child
out of a family or away from a family, you need to contact the tribe,
because those kinship ties aren't just racial, they're political.
And that means something.
So what we have again, is us.
You know, we had like the boarding schools,
we had like the Indian Adoption Act.
We've had all of these laws.
We've had like 200 years of federal Indian law jurisprudence where every case
is about taking something from us and us fighting back to get our just basic
human rights, our land, our children, our language, our culture.
It's never ending, but we still do it.
And it makes me think, too, about the work that you've done over the past
several years when it comes to passing a resolution
regarding missing and murdered indigenous women and girls.
This happened in 2018.
I remember this this meeting here.
I remember all the different people who came up in regalia talking about this.
And I remember also the statistics at that time, urban Indian health institutes
showing that Washington state
had one of the highest number of cases of missing and murdered indigenous women
in the country.
Seattle, highest amount for any city council, heard so much testimony on this.
And I just wanted to catch this up. Present day.
As you see, our state now has a notification network, almost
like an Amber Alert, letting people know when an indigenous people go missing.
We see reader boards over the freeway, for example, from that time
through your time, I guess, on the council till now,
what have you seen develop on this issue with missing and murdered
Indigenous women and girls missing and murdered Indigenous people?
And are we doing enough as a city, state, county, etc.
to to work on this issue?
Well, we've been very blessed in that, and I'm very proud of this city
that we were one of the very first cities, not only to beyond a resolution,
but to have an ordinance and then fund a position within SPD
to work with Seattle Indian Health Board and the advocates there.
But we also and I have worked personally with Secretary Interior
Holland and Interior bringing this forward.
We were one of the few cities
where we actually, like I said, we codified it, we funded it.
And the state, a lot of states were following our lead,
our city of Seattle lead, including other states.
And so, again, it kind of goes back to what I was saying earlier.
Why is it we have to pass a law to ask the federal government
and local law enforcement that when our women and children are
people go missing, that you go look for them?
We actually had to pass a law to do that.
And if anyone ever wants to go back and look,
when you when you remember we did the when we passed the first resolution.
Yeah.
At the time it was council president
Bruce Harrell. Right.
He cried and I don't tease him about it.
We had a moment and he's he'd never ever done that before
because he said he didn't because I did a speech about the initial Wolfer act
and how we have fought to keep our babies in our families together.
And this just, you know, to have this council acknowledge
that and listen to the people, come forward and speak about it.
You know, Bruce Mayor Herrell now was telling me that that was really moving
because he didn't know that when I spoke, when I was on Converge on Omari Show,
he didn't know that he did not know an act of Congress had to be passed.
And now we have missing and murdered,
which another act of Congress had to be passed. Right.
Same with the Violence Against Women Act
that we had to say, look, if we have nonmembers
assaulting, molesting, raping, hurting our women on our reservation,
we should have some some way in the criminal
to to be able to charge these
people or work with local government to make sure that they're arrested.
Yeah.
Then it becomes a jurisdictional fight
instead of the humanity fight about protecting people.
Right.
I think so much about all the work you've done for Native communities.
You were the first Native American
on the Seattle City Council when you were elected.
And I, I think it's about that time.
Deborah, if I could just reflect with you on these past years and
and where you see your legacy sitting, where is that?
How do you look at that?
I'm glad you asked, because usually when we come
you an hour, a little bit more, I'm a little bit more formal.
And, you know, I got, I don't know, 170 some days left, but who's counting?
Yeah, No, it's kind.
It's been a real and
I mean, this it has been such an honor to represent this great city.
It has been such an honor to represent the city
with tribal governments and going back to National Congress of American Indians
and being a proud representative for the city of Seattle.
I don't know what's in store for me
and so I'm kind of giddy about this because I am a grandma now.
I have a new grandson, new granddaughter. Congratulations.
Thank you.
And I almost feel like I felt 30, 40 years ago, like I'm stepping out.
I'm embarking in a new era where, you know, I don't have to because before
I didn't want to run for office, All my kids were little,
certainly not in high school.
And that's when I decided to run, is when the last one got out the door
and got into college.
So I am not I'm still engaged in Indian country and city and county.
And what happens to our great state and city.
But I don't know what's next.
I you know, you know, I'm really involved in women's sports.
I'm really involved with youth and sports, working with Rise Above
and all these great Indigenous
and non-Indigenous organizations, working with one real foundation, trying to build
up, you know, a hockey and yes, I know you love the Mariners as well.
Yeah, my husband does.
And hopefully someday they'll make it to the big mat like, Yeah, yeah.
But all of that still is like a place that I want to land, but I'm not sure how.
But at the same time, I like the policy legislative,
I guess I like
the piece of it's wonderful to be aspirational.
It's wonderful to be have have the kind
of morality driven values that you want to see.
But having going hand in hand
the pragmatism that's needed to get things done.
Yeah.
And I wanted to follow up on that piece because this job has been very challenging
for you and a lot of other councilmembers.
And I got a question about this that I thought phrased this
in an interesting way from one of our viewers.
Rob wrote this,
The approval rating of the city council over the last year plus has been low.
Do you think about that and do you feel any pressure
to try to change public perception of the council?
Can I ask the question in that way?
How do you approach that?
Well, I always have to laugh when Chamber or anybody wants to call me and say,
Do you want to go through the poll?
I'm like, I don't need a poll to know that people think we suck.
So I got it.
I got that.
So one thing about being a district representative, you see your call, your
your constituents like, you know at KFC and Walgreen and getting gas.
So I hear it, but I also hear good stuff.
No, I don't I
think that I try to be honest and straightforward
and recognize the humanity of every person,
even during public comment when we're being called names
that I don't think it's my job to be liked.
I think it's my job to be respected and that people know that I don't lie.
And I think that's the best any politician can do,
because being honest is the coin of the realm.
If you're going to be a good politician, you have to be honest.
Even when people are angry at you and they don't want to hear
what you have to say.
In all my years and I've worked for two governors and been around.
One thing I've learned, particularly interest in Indian Country
and with tribal leaders as well as people can be mad at you.
They'll be angry at the way you voted.
But as long as you're honest and you tell us the truth,
they'll almost
not so much forgive you, but they'll just kind of move along a go.
At least I know where you stand.
Yeah, And that's important.
My name is important.
My reputation, my family lineage import is important.
My grandfather was on Blackfeet Tribal Council.
All of that means something to me.
Yeah, And just to wrap up here, we have about a minute.
I think it's your intent to make sure that your legacy does live on.
And I'm thinking about the.
The Indigenous Indigenous Advisory Council.
You've helped set up for the city.
Let's say there is not a Native American person on City council on the future.
I think you're trying to ensure
that those issues you stay top of mind for people that are on the Council.
Well, the reason why we put together and handed it off
to Department of Neighborhoods, D.O.
and Francesc has been phenomenal in the mayor's office to reign in
who used to be on Puyallup Tribal Council
and is also a lawyer and is now working with Mayor Harrell,
which is great, is that I wanted to have that space, as we should
in every government where there is tribal consultation and government to government
and that it's institutionalized in our city code and also a place
where the mayor's office can go, where the legislative body can go
speedy anyone in this whole constellation of city departments.
So people used to just come to me or my committee,
and I don't think you need to be indigenous or native to have this issue,
because I have a lot of issues in my community
that, you know, and again, this is where we get to.
It's not about race that's important.
It's a it's a political relationship and you have to understand
the political realities, but who you need to speak to.
One thing about our Indigenous advisory Council, which I can almost say is in fact
there is no other advisory council
that has four elected Tribal Council members.
We have elected from Suquamish mocha shoot,
Snoqualmie and Yakama.
Yes. From the other side of the mountains.
And there are four electeds out of Indian country who sit at the table
and we sit, you know, even to even to tell us what these issues are.
And I think that takes a lot of pressure off the legislative branch
and an elected leader like me to know that and for my colleagues that there's
somewhere they can go to have an answer or how they get there,
particularly on policy.
Thank you so much.
A proud part of your legacy there.
Council President Debora Juarez with me,
and we will see you next time on cancellation.
The months that
I have left, there are some things that I want to clear up and clean up.
Obviously, we can have another show on this.
One is Memorial Stadium.
That's always been in my top five.
I want to make sure that the social service programs
across the city and also in five are funded for the homeless this issue.
I want to make sure that some of the issues
that have been brought to the forefront and public safety are addressed.
And we talked a little about this about in the show working with ReWA
and Susan Lee and those folks and expanding the program and the pre-K.
And I want to make sure that I'm really proud of this
as well, working with Mayor Durkan and some other folks back in the day
that the Promise program continues, where we have
people in Seattle Public High School can get their first two years
of college free if they go to like North Seattle or South Seattle College.
That has been a huge success and I was worried about the numbers
when they came in because I work very closely with Dr.
Crawford and North Seattle College.
It just makes it feels good.
Think, Oh my God, this is an idea.
We thought about it, we implemented it,
We got it in the budget, we got it, we figured it out, we paid for it.
And it's a success.
We have kids going there whose parents never went to college. Wow.
And it isn't just like college.
Like, I mean, these are also apprenticeships.
These are other programs, too.
So it isn't just computer science, you know.
All right. So a lot still ahead. A lot.
I have a lot to do.
And I you know, I also want to enjoy
my last six months here with my colleagues
and getting some other projects off the ground.
And we're not quite sure what that is.
When we go into budget, we'll try to figure that part out.
So, okay.
All right.
I can't wait to see what happens next.
Again, that's Council President Debora Juarez
discussing a number of issues here in our latest edition of Council Edition.
I'm Brian Callan.
And check out the full show on seattlechannel.org.